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Watch in the Sand by Nayzak Watch in the Sand by Nayzak
Assalaamu alaikum [peace be to you],

I see many atheists claim that religious people 'bother' them by preaching religion. well, I am a religious person who gets atheists preaching atheism to me and trying hard to make me believe nonsense. well, it's not like they are gonna succeed or anything.
But I just want to tell these atheists who are trying pointlessly to disprove my arguments about the existence of the God: you are cool, guys/girls. you are just motivating me to do more. thanks a lot for being a reason for me to work harder to spread Islam. :D


Suppose you find a watch in the middle of a desert. What would you conclude?
Would you think that someone dropped the watch?
Or would you suppose that the watch came by itself?

Of course no sane person would say that the watch just happened to emerge from the sand. All the intricate working parts could not simply develop from the metals the lay buried in the earth. The watch must have a manufacturer. If a watch tells accurate time?
Consider the sunrise and sunset. Their timings are so strictly regulated that scientists can publish in advance the sunrise and sunset times in your daily newspapers. But who regulates the timings of sunrise and sunset?

The God tells us in his final testament :
إِنَّ فِي خَلْقِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَاخْتِلَافِ اللَّيْلِ وَالنَّهَارِ وَالْفُلْكِ الَّتِي تَجْرِي فِي الْبَحْرِ بِمَا يَنفَعُ النَّاسَ وَمَا أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مِن مَّاءٍ فَأَحْيَا بِهِ الْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ مَوْتِهَا وَبَثَّ فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ دَابَّةٍ وَتَصْرِيفِ الرِّيَاحِ وَالسَّحَابِ الْمُسَخَّرِ بَيْنَ السَّمَاءِ وَالْأَرْضِ لَآيَاتٍ لِّقَوْمٍ يَعْقِلُونَ
"Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the Night and the Day; in the sailing of the ships through the Ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds and the clouds which they trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth, (here) indeed are signs for a people who use reason"

translation of the Qur'anic verse 2:164

The message is clear, if a watch can not work without an intelligent maker, how can the sun appear to rise and set with such clockwork regularity? Could this occur by itself?

Consider also that we benefit from the sun only because it remains at a safe distance from the earth, a distance that averages 93 million miles. If it got much closer the earth would burn up. And if it got too far away the earth would turn into an icy planet making human life here impossible.

Who decided in advance that this was the right distance? Could it just happen by chance? Without the sun plants would not grow. Then animals and humans would starve. Did the sun just decide to be there for us ?!

The rays of the sun would be dangerous for us had it not been for the protective ozone layer in our atmosphere. The atmosphere around earth keeps the harmful ultraviolet rays from reaching us. Who was it that placed this shield around us?

We need to experience sunrise. We need the sun's energy and it's light to see our way during the day. But we also need sunset. We need a break from the heat, we need the cook of night and we need the lights to out so we may sleep. Who regulated this process to provide what we need?

Moreover, if we had only the sun and the protection of the atmosphere we would want something more-beauty. Our clothes provide warmth and protection, yet we design them to also look beautiful. Knowing or need for beauty, the designer of sunrise and sunset also made the view of them to be simply breathtaking.

The creator who gave us light, energy, protection and beauty deserves our thanks. Yet some people insist that he does not exist. What would they think if they found a watch in the desert? An accurate, working watch? A beautifully designed watch? Would they not conclude that there does exist a watchmaker? An intelligent watchmaker? One who appreciates beauty? Such is God who made us.

A 5 years old kid can understand this logic. Someone does not need to be Einstein or Ibn Sina. it is simple, clear and true.

from [link]

I hope this was beneficial.

As much as I like to hear people's opinions, I believe spreading one's beliefs in other people's pages without permission is not very respectful. If you disagree with the arguments above, feel free to write a scholarly rebuttal IN YOUR OWN PAGE and let us see a better logic. I may read what you have to say... but if you insist that your rebuttal has to be in Nayzak's page, then I am afraid whatever wall-of-text you write will be removed.
take this as a friendly advice.

If I am right, it is from the God. if I am wrong, it is from myself.
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It's a-me, CoolLittleDude, to explain why the watchmaker argument makes more holes in logic than it fills.

Atheists, agnostics, and all the rest believe that the question of the universe will never be truly explained and that even if we figure out what caused the big bang we have to figure out what cause the thing that created the big bang and that anything physicists and astromomers can come up with to explain it as of now will be hypothetical at best. It maybe tempting to fill that hole in logic with a seal know as Allah, but one problem? You can't account for Allah existing to create the universe in the first place. You'll can say that "Allah always exists and he's beyond space and time and he doesn't need someone or something to create him." But that would force you to admit that an all-poweful, all-knowing, all-present, and all-good being exists, always existed, and will continue to exist even until the end of time which, assuming I didn't leave anything out, would force you to conclude that Allah or no Allah the existence universe is an unquestionably random phenomenon.

The only difference is between Islam and what you would refer to as Atheism is that we believe that as we continue to exist we'll find out what gave the universe cause to exist and hopefully find out what created it and move up from there and that as we do and that it's our duty as naturally curious and determined human beings to find out what even if we'll never truly find out what's Ground Zero of the universe but we'll benefit along the way. Islam meanwhile teaches that the origin of the universe is by a cognative for who has desires and thoughts and that humans were made by him to submit to him and that if we do anything contrary to his hard standards (or commit one of his unforgivable standards) we'll burn forever. Which then raises these questions? Why did god create a earth with fossil records, genetic records, and physiologic records that incoviently contradicts his notion of how we came to be? Why did he allow falable human beings to mistranslate and misrepresent his commandments (knowing that they would mistranslate and misrepresent his commandments) for thousands of years then decide to set the record straight in the 7th century by way of Muhammad?  Why did he allow other religions to spring up knowing that choosing the wrong answer to the God question is liable for eternal torment and not simply stop them from spreading knowing that millions of souls would be saved if they didn't spread? Aside from the fact that he (supposedly) created us and he can send people to hell who disagree with him, what gives god moral authority over us? Why did God make so that instead of giving us a book that could be accurately translated in every written language used by man so that we could understand it's clear meaning, not be confused about it in anyway what so ever, and lose nothing in translation and instead the makes it so that it's has a poetry style that's (supposedly) inimitable? and What incentive does Allah have to make sure that we stay on the straight and narrow and see to it that all or most of us make it into heaven?

A world without god may raise a few questions but Islam raises more questions than it answers and (even if Islam is true) ever religion cocieved by man has as much prove supporting it as Islam does which basically means one of two things, either your religion is false or your ascension in to heaven was less a matter of your morality and integrity and more of a matter of who you were born to and that you we able to coviently get the "true Islam" from your parents, Imam, and/or reading of the Qur'an.
by a cognative being*
Considering how vast and crowded the Universe is, to say that it was built specifically for the benefit of humanity and earth is to say that a 10 ton boulder with a single atom of Iron was exists for the benefit of that atom. :B
"Considering how vast and crowded the Universe is, to say that it was built specifically for the benefit of humanity and earth"
You are mistaken. I never said this. I never implied this. and I never said what could be interpreted as this.
the thing is: the God almighty created the universe. he also created man. and as a master-designer, he allowed man to fit in the universe created by God and also to benefit from some parts of it. this doesn't mean the God created the universe only for man.
We Muslims believe that the universe was created long before the first man. we also believe the God almighty created other nation before man on earth. so assuming the God created all only for man is not what we Muslims believe and it's not what Nayzak says in the above article.
So according to Islam, extraterrestrial life is possible?

Interesting :o
as far as I know there is nothing in Islam that says it's impossible.
logic loop.
a creator need a creator if all created must have a creator
so it is equally likely that allah is the greatest and allah is made by other higher ups
"a creator need a creator if all created must have a creator"
your logic is valid only when the creator is created. but Allah is a creator who is not created. so he doesn't need a creator. so there is no logic loop here.

by definition, a square has edges and a circle does not. asking the question "how many edges a circle has?" is pointless. because by definition, a circle has no edges.
similarly, a creation was created therefore it has a creator. while the creator of everything is a creator who is not created. he existed when nothing existed and he created everything. so the question "who created the creator?" is pointless.
your question was answered in more details here…

I hope you understand better now.
if allah was,is and always will be,it is as logical as believing we was, is and always will be.
it is best to say a don't know like an atheist because faking certainty is dumb.
"if allah was,is and always will be,it is as logical as believing we was, is and always will be."
I don't know where you got your logic from. but it's obviously flawed. we can see man's non-existence, his birth, growth and death. therefore we know we have a beginning and an end. we do not need divine revelation in order to realize this truth.
God's existence can be concluded even without scripture. only a sane brain and common sense are needed to realize there is a God. now this God having no beginning and no end is a fact we get from divine revelation.
revelation came to complement our knowledge and allow us to know about the God Almighty that which we can't learn by our limited senses.

"it is best to say a don't know like an atheist because faking certainty is dumb."
well, faking ignorance is dumber. and saying I don't know when I know is lying.
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